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Nick Lima on The Brand Mixology Podcast: SEO is dead... or is it?
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SEO is dead... or is it?

Nick Lima, Founder of RankFresh

If you've ever wondered whether anyone can actually find your business online, this one's for you. Claire is joined by SEO veteran Nick Lima to talk about what AI has really changed about search and what small businesses can do right now to stop being overlooked.

Three things to take away

  • Answer the question in your first paragraph. Don't bury it at the bottom.

  • Write the questions your customers ask you, then answer each one.

  • Get your name mentioned beyond your website: podcasts, reviews, newsletters and social.

Inside the episode

From Teletext to 20 years of SEO

Is SEO dead? Nick Lima has been doing it for over 20 years, so he is the right person to ask.

He started out in travel, when adverts went in newspapers and on Teletext. When the internet turned that upside down, he taught himself HTML to get the phone ringing. Today he runs RankFresh.

Google and AI both want the same thing

AI tools like ChatGPT look across the whole web for mentions of your brand. So being talked about on podcasts, in reviews and in newsletters now matters as much as your own website.

Both Google and AI are trying to act like a helpful human. Write for people first and the machines will follow.

Put the answer first

Write down the questions your customers ask you, then answer each one. Put the answer in your first paragraph, not at the bottom.

Use clear headings and skip the jargon. Nick suggests writing as if for a 16-year-old, in the words your customers actually use.

Launch it, then make it better

Nick once had a client who started a website in June and still hadn't launched it months later. Perfection never comes.

Get it live, listen to what people click and ask, then keep improving. What you start with won't be what you have a year later, and that's the point.

The mixology moment

At the end of every episode, our guests choose one word to put into the cocktail shaker for success and one word to put on ice. Here is what Nick Lima had to say...

Into the cocktail shaker for success

Consistency

People get enthusiastic for a month, then stop. You don't have to do loads, but do it regularly and build it up.

Put on ice

Perfection

Waiting for perfect means never launching. Get yourself out there and evolve, or you miss out on opportunities.

Nick Lima

“It's not trying SEO, it's just being honest about your brand, about yourself.”

About

Nick Lima is the founder of RankFresh and has worked in SEO for more than 20 years. He began in the travel industry, taught himself HTML when the internet changed his business model, and moved into SEO and pay-per-click advertising. He now helps small businesses get found on Google and AI search.

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